Giles' spooky subtext
Is it possible that Giles made up his mind to murder Ben in the Magic Box, after Buffy's "She is me" speech? Perhaps dialogue that we would attribute to his resolve to kill Dawn, could actually be...
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Some good points there, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had considered it, but i wouldn't say he purposly planned to kill Ben, unless he had to. We all know Giles would do anything for Buffy, to...
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I think that Giles had indeed already decided that hewould kill Ben. But that is not what that conversationwas about. There was very little chance that Ben would be around to kill. It would be only...
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I'm convinced that Giles did not intend to kill Dawn. I am not convinced that he considered killing Ben to be a viable option until the opportunity presented itself. I do think that he had prepaired...
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"I myself would have been considering the 'off Ben' option right off the bat."Like, whenever Ben first appeared with that horrible haircut?
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No, not that soon. I couldn't consider wasting someone because of the 'doo. I've had too many bad haircuts of my own. Just ask my wife.No, it's just that when they all were able to remember that Ben...
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having just given myself a trim with the nail scissors. It does bring out the cowlicks around my face in a most charming way. Anyhow, thanks for bringing me to my senses malmorra. I've never had any...
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I don't think that Buffy died a true hero, or a martyr. She didn't die for a cause, or to save the world, she died to keep one person alive for her own, partly selfish reasons. She was even ready to...
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Giles was the true hero. Buffy was (understandably) adamant about defending Dawn to the death. Yet she also convieniently side-stepped the Ben issue. Was this because she was somewhat attracted to...
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I read Delores B's and malmorra's posts with great interest because both argue that Buffy is less of a hero than we're meant to believe. I have often thought so as well, but for a different reason....
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There seems to have been a long-term problem with making the hard choice. I believe Giles was prepared to kill Dawn IF Necessary, which it almost was. I kind of like Dawn, but if the choice is her...
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Cgl makes an interesting point. Did Buffy really do the right thing? After all, by jumping, she's leaving the world without a Slayer, at least until Faith dies, which could be 70 years from now....
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I agree, Diandra, with your contention that a large part of Buffy's decision to sacrifice herself in 'The Gift' was due to narcissism and her 'general state of mental depression'. Her continuing...
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About the Ben or Glory, I think Giles made his decision for the right reasons, which is (in my opinion) more important than whether it was the "right" decision (which depends a lot on your values).The...
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I think that Giles did put a great deal of thought into the idea of killing dawn, but in the end I just don't think that even if he the clear opprotunity to do it. His love for Dawn, as a another...
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